tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3650193.post8769361081133331676..comments2023-11-02T23:12:22.758+11:00Comments on Planet Irf: OPINION: On averting another European Holocaust ...Irfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12032825228704836828noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3650193.post-55975319962979623362007-03-23T12:17:00.000+11:002007-03-23T12:17:00.000+11:00The only person who comes close to Irfan Yusuf in ...The only person who comes close to Irfan Yusuf in sheer baseless egomania is Peter Phelps. Even Irfan Yusuf would have got more votes in the Senate Pre-selection than Peter Phelps. It was interesting how Peter Phelps is so despised by every faction that each of them were prepared to do a deal to completely lock him out and that was without the gay sauna baggage. It must be hard for Peter Phelps Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3650193.post-29600625066390247092007-03-23T07:34:00.000+11:002007-03-23T07:34:00.000+11:00Irf, you are always good fun to have a debate with...Irf, you are always good fun to have a debate with.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3650193.post-4495538706136927272007-03-22T23:26:00.000+11:002007-03-22T23:26:00.000+11:00"Good to see that you, albeit tacitly, admit that ..."Good to see that you, albeit tacitly, admit that Hicks was a dedicated Taliban. Of course, poor ol' Habid was just over there selling Girl Scout cookies, wasn't he?"<BR/><BR/>=> How can I admit anything, Mr Phelps? I wasn't there when he was arrested. I prefer not to rely on rumour and innuendo. Many Westerners were in Afghanistan at the time. Some were aid workers. Otherws were volunteers Irfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12032825228704836828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3650193.post-78483107396577478682007-03-22T19:49:00.000+11:002007-03-22T19:49:00.000+11:00>I never knew Mamdouh Habib ever joined the Taliba...>I never knew Mamdouh Habib ever joined the Taliban. <BR/><BR/>Good to see that you, albeit tacitly, admit that Hicks was a dedicated Taliban. Of course, poor ol' Habid was just over there selling Girl Scout cookies, wasn't he?<BR/><BR/>>I think they stopped that some decades ago.<BR/><BR/>Unlike forced conversions and forced circumcision of Christians in Ambon and the Celebes, which IS still Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3650193.post-89538877231130909622007-03-22T19:33:00.000+11:002007-03-22T19:33:00.000+11:00>The final word in the final sentence refers not t...>The final word in the final sentence refers not to London but to Mecca and Madina. <BR/><BR/>LOL. I thought that you'd gone all Melanie Phillips on me for a moment there!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3650193.post-13764653004031148022007-03-22T18:41:00.000+11:002007-03-22T18:41:00.000+11:00"I never knew London was a place exclusively devot..."I never knew London was a place exclusively devoted to pilgrimage for members of one faith. And when was the last time you heard of any Christian denomination seeking to build a church there?"<BR/><BR/>The final word in the final sentence refers not to London but to Mecca and Madina.Irfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12032825228704836828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3650193.post-69189899838440098452007-03-22T18:36:00.000+11:002007-03-22T18:36:00.000+11:00"Indeed, the only Australian Taliban I know of are..."Indeed, the only Australian Taliban I know of are Hicks and Habib."<BR/><BR/>=> I never knew Mamdouh Habib ever joined the Taliban. Do you have any evidence to support this? Or is this a case of what you describe as 'vicious hyperbole'?<BR/><BR/>"Do the Catholics seek a theocracy?"<BR/><BR/>=> Have you dissociated yourself from a certain MLC and NSW power-broker? How will you win that covetted Irfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12032825228704836828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3650193.post-52870905333680992622007-03-22T17:47:00.000+11:002007-03-22T17:47:00.000+11:00Anon @ 931 - I thought Cewbacca was somebody ENTRI...Anon @ 931 - I thought Cewbacca was somebody ENTRIELY different, according to John Hyde-Page...<BR/><BR/>By the way, is "stuffed up his bum" your attempt at (markedly homopobic) criticism of me? Poor boy. Get a life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3650193.post-65396187200503877922007-03-22T16:54:00.000+11:002007-03-22T16:54:00.000+11:00Anon @ 931, that is no way to speak of a great Aus...Anon @ 931, that is no way to speak of a great Australian thesbian. I would have thought you'd have had more respect for our film industry ...Irfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12032825228704836828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3650193.post-34381950284682821762007-03-22T16:25:00.000+11:002007-03-22T16:25:00.000+11:00Yes, it is I - today I work in the Ummah West. Ju...Yes, it is I - today I work in the Ummah West. Just a joke, Irf, just a joke! Smile, mate!<BR/><BR/>Who else could give you a run for your money in a friendly debate?<BR/><BR/>BTW, you are very keen to attack the Libs and Christian Dems, but I notice that you are silent on Greg Best, the Independent in Wyong that wrote: "Migration laws Tightened. Zero tolerance for Muslim extremists. As a Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3650193.post-42606673285873088692007-03-22T09:31:00.000+11:002007-03-22T09:31:00.000+11:00Peter Phelps = Chewbacca with a doctorate stuffed ...Peter Phelps = Chewbacca with a doctorate stuffed up his bumAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3650193.post-67663806913916832142007-03-21T11:25:00.000+11:002007-03-21T11:25:00.000+11:00woops, that should be inner west.woops, that should be inner west.Irfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12032825228704836828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3650193.post-44090874835974877472007-03-21T11:24:00.000+11:002007-03-21T11:24:00.000+11:00Before I go further, is this the Peter who works i...Before I go further, is this the Peter who works in Canberra and used to work in the unner west?Irfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12032825228704836828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3650193.post-70964024054795961892007-03-20T17:38:00.000+11:002007-03-20T17:38:00.000+11:00>Is this a phenomenon limited to the so-called sin...>Is this a phenomenon limited to the so-called singular monolithic Islamic civilisation? <BR/><BR/>No - as I CLEARLY said, monocultures breed extremists.<BR/><BR/>>I cannot speak for all Muslims. <BR/><BR/>Then speak for yourself - do you want Sharia Law in Australia as the primary legal code for all Australians?<BR/><BR/>>Australia's own conservative political Taliban.<BR/><BR/>I don't recall Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3650193.post-91790528501824510972007-03-20T10:20:00.000+11:002007-03-20T10:20:00.000+11:00"it does not deny my fundamental point that where ..."it does not deny my fundamental point that where Islamic civilisation has to interact with non-Islamic civilisations it is more moderate and syncretic."<BR/><BR/>=> Is this a phenomenon limited to the so-called singular monolithic Islamic civilisation? Or were the Crusaders a lovely bunch of lads before they were discovered personal hygeine in the Middle East?<BR/><BR/>"do Aussie Mozzies seek toIrfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12032825228704836828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3650193.post-71943429623733309932007-03-20T09:34:00.000+11:002007-03-20T09:34:00.000+11:00>In other words, Islam has no inherent cultural fe...>In other words, Islam has no inherent cultural features of its own. Rather, it is a combination of beliefs, ethics and sacred law. The Islamic sacred law takes different forms depending on where it is. <BR/><BR/>Agreed, but it does not deny my fundamental point that where Islamic civilisation has to interact with non-Islamic civilisations it is more moderate and syncretic. Actually, it Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3650193.post-78802269994965088932007-03-19T16:26:00.000+11:002007-03-19T16:26:00.000+11:00=> "I said that Islam was moderate and syncretic w...=> "I said that Islam was moderate and syncretic where it comes into contact with other civilisations and religions."<BR/><BR/>Peter, you might not be aware that Islam has been described by many religious jurists as "a clear spring with no colour, shape or odour of its own and which adopts the colour, shape and odour of wherever it spreads".<BR/><BR/>In other words, Islam has no inherent culturalIrfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12032825228704836828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3650193.post-19173592614295198242007-03-19T15:24:00.000+11:002007-03-19T15:24:00.000+11:00>Do you know how many non-Muslims lived in the Mid...>Do you know how many non-Muslims lived in the Middle East? <BR/><BR/>Lots, probably. But how many Christian churches or Ba'hai Temples, or Jewish Mosques are there in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia TODAY, Irf?<BR/><BR/>>To claim that multicultural and multi-religious cities must necessarily be on the periphary of a dominant civilisation shows an unusual level of ignorance of how civilisations workAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3650193.post-73475716725161440132007-03-19T12:00:00.000+11:002007-03-19T12:00:00.000+11:00Peter, for you to suggest that the ottomans and th...Peter, for you to suggest that the ottomans and the Mughals were on the periphery of the Muslim world of their time is a bit like me suggesting New York and London are on the periphery of the West.<BR/><BR/>Do you know how many non-Muslims lived in the Middle East? OK, I admit that the Catholic Crusaders did massacre alot of Jews and Orthodox Christians along the way. But notwithstanding their Irfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12032825228704836828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3650193.post-41174687751578608982007-03-19T08:50:00.000+11:002007-03-19T08:50:00.000+11:00>Why do you say Muslims only had dealings with non...>Why do you say Muslims only had dealings with non-Muslims on the periphery? <BR/><BR/>I didn't. I said that the more moderate and synrectic forms of Islam were found on the periphery, because that was where there was the greatest interaction between Mulsims and non-Muslims occurred. And that was why I also included Egypt which, although at the heart of the Islamic world was the trade Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3650193.post-15432979851486263392007-03-18T12:24:00.000+11:002007-03-18T12:24:00.000+11:00Peter, why do you say Muslims only had dealings wi...Peter, why do you say Muslims only had dealings with non-Muslims on the periphery? Was Ottoman Europe really on the periphery? Was Mughal India really on the periphery?<BR/><BR/>And what on earth is the "Muslim Brotherhoodist extremism"?<BR/><BR/>And why do you suggest all Muslims would want the same thing?<BR/><BR/>Anon@9:50pm, shall I reveal your true identity? Shall I post your IP address?Irfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12032825228704836828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3650193.post-65924033589167159932007-03-17T21:50:00.000+11:002007-03-17T21:50:00.000+11:00Muslims want to be persecuted and they want suprem...Muslims want to be persecuted and they want supreme victim-hoodAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3650193.post-439191188154394022007-03-16T14:02:00.000+11:002007-03-16T14:02:00.000+11:00Irf, Islam has always been more moderate and sycre...Irf, <BR/><BR/>Islam has always been more moderate and sycretic on its periphery, where it comes into contact with other faiths and civilisations. For that reason, I disagree with Huntington's assessment that "Islam has bloody borders".<BR/><BR/>In fact, the Muslims on the periphery of the caliphate have generally been good neighbours. The Moors, the Malays, the European Muslims (at least sinceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com